Security features like this works, until it doesn't.
When I installed WireGuard on macOS, I was happy to discover that it stores private keys in the system keychain. Accessing the private key requires Touch ID.
Then one day after a system upgrade, the WireGuard app crashed on startup with:
[APP] Unable to open config from keychain: -25300
Then the app deleted all profiles because they are all "orphaned", apparently for "keychain consistency" [0].
From then on, I just use a text editor to edit my WireGuard configuration files, and import them to the app. The bug still exists to this day [1].
I’ve been a happy user of Secretive for years, including for Git commit signature which it make it a separate key with interaction but not for pull / push. I find the trade off ideal for GitHub.com and have other keys with different setup for servers.
SSH keys in plaintext was one of the first thing that bagel [0] our developer endpoint secret detection focused on. Then we embedded bagel as a library in our developer endpoint protection [1].
One fundamental problem with agentic development is that accessing the secure enclave key requires human presence. If you're running headless and aren't logged in, Secretive (not sure about others) will not be able to access the enclave, even when you only chose "notify" and not "touchid".
This is why I'm skeptical that the approach can scale reliably, even though I'm relying on it today. (Yes, PATs would fix this, but the enclave model is what I'm trying to retain for now.) What I've done instead is wrote a small daemon that sets the SSH authentication socket and does agent forwarding. This works when I'm traveling with laptop...but not yet from my mobile phone.
NB: I'm not using Rex instead of herdr and because Rex uses its own protocol, I always need to have one SSH tunnel to reset the remote agent socket. Not optimal, but it works. All of this feels wrong from a UX perspective, and it feels like I'm holding on too hard on secure enclave for what my use cases are. Feedback appreciated!
mavam
I decided years ago that I want to protect my keys with a hardware device that is independent of the vendor of the machine that I'm currently using. I also want to have backup keys and I want to be able to freely move them around various physical locations. Or have a backup shipped to me across the world if necessary.
YubiKeys were the only solution that fit these requirements, so I went with those. I have been using them for the last ten years or so and I've been very happy with this solution. See https://github.com/drduh/YubiKey-Guide for a description of how to make your RSA keys stored on YubiKeys work with GPG and SSH at the same time.
jwr
I use 1Password's `op` for this, but with an allowance: my dev environment keys.
I found I was getting fingerprint fatigue. Do I need a fingerprint request every time my dev server wants to connect to dev Supabase? No. That's expected, and zero risk. There's no data there.
I worried that a nefarious request would be auto-approved by me. When you see 20 requests a day, your muscle memory just reaches for the sensor.
So I have a separate 1Password vault that a service account [0] can read. That token is in my environment as OP_SERVICE_ACCOUNT_TOKEN, which the `op` tool understands.
It also has access to a vault with 'AI-safe' keys that I want Claude to be able to access without asking me.
Now, these requests work invisibly. And when I see a fingerprint popup, it's unusual, and I don't auto-approve by habit.
I also keep an item called '_One-day keys' in a separate vault. (The underscore just pushing it to the top of the list for easy access.)
It has prod keys, mostly restricted read-only. If required, I move that over to the open vault. Claude knows this item and has instructions to remind me to move it back out when it's finished what it was doing.
The author says he doesn’t like the idea of having keys sitting on his file system ready to be snatched by bad actors.
That’s why they should be passphrase protected.
You use ssh agent to store the keys in memory and for convenience you can store the passphrases in keychain. MacOS OpenSSH has the UseKeychain config directive for that.
I use Yubikey/FIDO2 myself, but not because private keys cannot be protected on a file system.
It's effectively an open source version of a YubiKey, the hardware itself is all open source and it handles ed255519 SSH keys really well.
inb4 they're not the same, I know, I really like what the TKey team is doing.
dylanger
Secure Enclave, TPM and other such security features are unfortunately so badly documented and need so many hoops to jump through to get them working, with any mistake either causing you to be locked out completely or to not give you the protection you wanted. There really should be a better way to make these technologies usable...
gsliepen
I used yubikeys for ssh for years. First via the older clunky gpg as ssh key feature. Then via the FIDO api. My biggest issue was the chicken and egg issue when using this setup on a new machine or god forbid in a container etc. windows and WLS wasn’t super thrilled either.
I switched to 1Password ssh because I actually like the fact that I can simply share my keys. It’s still not perfect. Agent forwarding needs an extra configuration and depending how many keys you have and how verbose your ssh config gets it becomes also very finicky.
This solution feels for me like a slight setback because it’s a macOS only solution. If you have a Linux or windows machine next to a Mac you have to deal with the insecure key file on your hard drive again either via yubi keys or software solutions.
But I think I would take this over a yubikey. I really disliked the fact that one usb port was constantly in use.
larusso
These days I'm mainly doing development inside VM's. Previously I was embedding Github key to each VM, but since I setup Secure Enclave (with Secretive), I'm only forwarding it's agent to VM and each git action on origin now requires approval using fingerprint reader. I think this a good way to prevent malware from gaining access to github
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When I installed WireGuard on macOS, I was happy to discover that it stores private keys in the system keychain. Accessing the private key requires Touch ID.
Then one day after a system upgrade, the WireGuard app crashed on startup with:
Then the app deleted all profiles because they are all "orphaned", apparently for "keychain consistency" [0].From then on, I just use a text editor to edit my WireGuard configuration files, and import them to the app. The bug still exists to this day [1].
[0] https://github.com/WireGuard/wireguard-apple/commit/dfb685f2...
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/WireGuard/comments/wyt828/osx_wireg...
database64128
SSH keys in plaintext was one of the first thing that bagel [0] our developer endpoint secret detection focused on. Then we embedded bagel as a library in our developer endpoint protection [1].
[0] https://boostsecurityio.github.io/bagel/ [1] https://boostsecurityio.github.io/dazio/docs/install/
flexorium
This is why I'm skeptical that the approach can scale reliably, even though I'm relying on it today. (Yes, PATs would fix this, but the enclave model is what I'm trying to retain for now.) What I've done instead is wrote a small daemon that sets the SSH authentication socket and does agent forwarding. This works when I'm traveling with laptop...but not yet from my mobile phone.
Example:
NB: I'm not using Rex instead of herdr and because Rex uses its own protocol, I always need to have one SSH tunnel to reset the remote agent socket. Not optimal, but it works. All of this feels wrong from a UX perspective, and it feels like I'm holding on too hard on secure enclave for what my use cases are. Feedback appreciated!mavam
YubiKeys were the only solution that fit these requirements, so I went with those. I have been using them for the last ten years or so and I've been very happy with this solution. See https://github.com/drduh/YubiKey-Guide for a description of how to make your RSA keys stored on YubiKeys work with GPG and SSH at the same time.
jwr
I found I was getting fingerprint fatigue. Do I need a fingerprint request every time my dev server wants to connect to dev Supabase? No. That's expected, and zero risk. There's no data there.
I worried that a nefarious request would be auto-approved by me. When you see 20 requests a day, your muscle memory just reaches for the sensor.
So I have a separate 1Password vault that a service account [0] can read. That token is in my environment as OP_SERVICE_ACCOUNT_TOKEN, which the `op` tool understands.
It also has access to a vault with 'AI-safe' keys that I want Claude to be able to access without asking me.
Now, these requests work invisibly. And when I see a fingerprint popup, it's unusual, and I don't auto-approve by habit.
I also keep an item called '_One-day keys' in a separate vault. (The underscore just pushing it to the top of the list for easy access.)
It has prod keys, mostly restricted read-only. If required, I move that over to the open vault. Claude knows this item and has instructions to remind me to move it back out when it's finished what it was doing.
[0]: https://www.1password.dev/service-accounts/get-started
jen729w
The author says he doesn’t like the idea of having keys sitting on his file system ready to be snatched by bad actors.
That’s why they should be passphrase protected.
You use ssh agent to store the keys in memory and for convenience you can store the passphrases in keychain. MacOS OpenSSH has the UseKeychain config directive for that.
I use Yubikey/FIDO2 myself, but not because private keys cannot be protected on a file system.
LeBit
It's effectively an open source version of a YubiKey, the hardware itself is all open source and it handles ed255519 SSH keys really well.
inb4 they're not the same, I know, I really like what the TKey team is doing.
dylanger
gsliepen
But I think I would take this over a yubikey. I really disliked the fact that one usb port was constantly in use.
larusso
dsenkus